The Books Serving to Us Escape Proper Now: Girls Who Journey Podcast

Thanks to Kalima and Jynne for joining us and sharing their picks. As always, thanks to Brett Fuchs for engineering and mixing this episode. This is our very last episode of 2020, so be sure to subscribe to Women who travel on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or anywhere you listen to podcasts so you don’t miss our 2021 return.

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Read a full transcription of the episode below.

Meredith Carey: Hello everybody. It’s Meredith. Before we get into this week’s episode, the very last one of the season, Lale and I just wanted to say, “Thank you.” We’ve been home recording this podcast since March and we’re so grateful that you joined us in this relatively travel-free year. We really enjoyed answering your questions, voicing our own fears, and meeting women we admire all over the world, and we hope you have, too. We’ll be back in January with new episodes. So be sure to subscribe so you will be notified when we drop the first part of the season.

Lale Arikoglu: Hello everyone, and thank you for listening to Women Who Travel, a Conde Nast Traveler podcast. I’m Lale Arikoglu and, as always, my colleague Meredith Carey.

MC: Hello.

THE: As we mentioned in previous episodes we’ve published in the past few months, books have served as both an escape and an education while we were at home. And when we look at winter and oh god we look at winter which is both the main reading and book gift seasons. We thought we’d spend our final episode of the year just giving you a few more ideas for your stack. Jynne Dilling Martin, Associate Publisher at Riverhead Books, is a regular on podcasts.

Jynne Dilling Martin: Hello everybody.

THE: And Kalima DeSuze, activist and founder of the intersectional feminist bookstore Cafe con Libros in Brooklyn.

Kalima DeSuze: Hello everybody.

MC: Before we begin our tips, I wanted to ask you, Kalima, a question. When we spoke to Emma Straub earlier this year, she spoke about the support and, almost as importantly, the patience we need to show our local bookstores when people want to order books for the holidays and for themselves or their families. What advice would you give them?

KD: Oh my God. First of all, I will thank you for this question because it is really important. I would say people have to buy independent bookstores. That’s number one that can shop locally all season. I don’t want to be controversial and I want to be honest. Amazon doesn’t need your money, I promise you. You’re a billion dollar company – looking to trillions of dollars – but the independent bookstores need your money. It’s been a very, very tough season so I’d say we can shop independently and locally across the board.

Number two, I’d say to plan your list. Plan it out, do a little research, and then try to order in advance to give those little independent bookstores or small local businesses the time to ship your packages. For me, I am sending USPS because I am in militant solidarity with the USPS system. While I respect the work of UPS and FedEx, I think it’s really important that we are on our policies, and one of the ways Cafe con Libros is on our policies is to support the USPS, that is what it means will take a little longer than normal. Be patient. Know that your dollar is not just about getting that gift. Your dollar means something in this world, in this sociopolitical climate, and it means a change in the way we work with small businesses and with the USPS system. So again, shop locally, plan ahead, be patient and understanding, and get creative so you can keep supporting your local businesses.

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